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	<description>Squandering time as a raving egomaniac</description>
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		<title>By: @pekpongpaet</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>@pekpongpaet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the smartest best working people can and will treat startups as a different beast. You are essentially asking people to give up their free time to work on an idea. That&#039;s asking a lot for 99+% of the people in the world that would much rather couch surf and chill out in their free time as opposed to &quot;do work&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the smartest best working people can and will treat startups as a different beast. You are essentially asking people to give up their free time to work on an idea. That&#039;s asking a lot for 99+% of the people in the world that would much rather couch surf and chill out in their free time as opposed to &quot;do work&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: @pekpongpaet</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>@pekpongpaet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesh, Chris, I have an idea. This is your only chance to get in. JK. You have no idea how many of these I get nowadays. I&#039;ve also expressed similar sentiment in this blog post&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.pekpongpaet.com/2010/04/01/ive-got-this-great-idea-if-you-only-build-it/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://blog.pekpongpaet.com/2010/04/01/ive-got-th...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesh, Chris, I have an idea. This is your only chance to get in. JK. You have no idea how many of these I get nowadays. I&#039;ve also expressed similar sentiment in this blog post<a href="http://blog.pekpongpaet.com/2010/04/01/ive-got-this-great-idea-if-you-only-build-it/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://blog.pekpongpaet.com/2010/04/01/ive-got-th.." rel="nofollow">http://blog.pekpongpaet.com/2010/04/01/ive-got-th..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: TrustThisGuy</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>TrustThisGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put sir. I might work for equity for someone I have known for a few years.  
  
Anyone else would need a seriously well written letter of recommendation from one of those people. That and be prepared to divulge everything you have at your disposal that would help the project succeed, and be ready to work side by side until I can trust that you are working harder than I am to make this work. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put sir. I might work for equity for someone I have known for a few years.  </p>
<p>Anyone else would need a seriously well written letter of recommendation from one of those people. That and be prepared to divulge everything you have at your disposal that would help the project succeed, and be ready to work side by side until I can trust that you are working harder than I am to make this work.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post... left a needed reply above to another comment... but as Chris Conrey mentioned... this is a great &#039;source&#039; if you will for &quot;the equity people&quot; and developers alike.  Thx </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post&#8230; left a needed reply above to another comment&#8230; but as Chris Conrey mentioned&#8230; this is a great &#039;source&#039; if you will for &quot;the equity people&quot; and developers alike.  Thx</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree enough with that specifically... Equity (the more the worse) early on injects bad mojo early on... As much as startups need that money early on - they need to starve and fight as hard as possible until all resources have been exhausted x10 but the drive is still there... That my friends is when equity should be applied and most likely will be used the wisest.  (usually haha) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t agree enough with that specifically&#8230; Equity (the more the worse) early on injects bad mojo early on&#8230; As much as startups need that money early on &#8211; they need to starve and fight as hard as possible until all resources have been exhausted x10 but the drive is still there&#8230; That my friends is when equity should be applied and most likely will be used the wisest.  (usually haha)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sitarzewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sitarzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This letter is more geared toward someone starting a company that doesn&#039;t have the right people at the beginning.&quot; 
 
Or any people at all for that matter. I&#039;ve made these mistakes in the past, and will never make them again. Nearly all of the people that have approached me with an equity only deal had no idea what it would take to actually build a company out of the idea in the first place. It really shows their inexperience in business. But they&#039;ll shoot in the dark until they find someone to do it. And, well, shooting in the dark is just no way to build a company. For equity only, or not. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;This letter is more geared toward someone starting a company that doesn&#039;t have the right people at the beginning.&quot; </p>
<p>Or any people at all for that matter. I&#039;ve made these mistakes in the past, and will never make them again. Nearly all of the people that have approached me with an equity only deal had no idea what it would take to actually build a company out of the idea in the first place. It really shows their inexperience in business. But they&#039;ll shoot in the dark until they find someone to do it. And, well, shooting in the dark is just no way to build a company. For equity only, or not. :)</p>
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		<title>By: squanderingtime</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>squanderingtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all your points :-). 
 
Passion is an excellent point to add that I didn&#039;t really touch on.  Maybe if/when I revise this I&#039;ll add that dimension to it.  It really goes back to the argument that people are the absolute #1 priority when getting a startup off the ground.  If all the people don&#039;t truly believe in the end goal, you&#039;ll probably never get there :-). 
 
I also agree with your second point.  I know a lot of great developers that don&#039;t necessarily make good business people.  I feel that&#039;s where networking comes into play with the people argument.  If your idea is solid and you can get a group of people together that all believe in it at the beginning it&#039;s one thing.  This letter is more geared toward someone starting a company that doesn&#039;t have the right people at the beginning. 
 
Equity itself is neither good nor bad.  It always depends on the situation and circumstances.  I have structured such deals in the past when I saw the company going places and when I had started my contract with pay.  They believed in proving their viability to me and my company and that&#039;s what made the deal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all your points :-). </p>
<p>Passion is an excellent point to add that I didn&#039;t really touch on.  Maybe if/when I revise this I&#039;ll add that dimension to it.  It really goes back to the argument that people are the absolute #1 priority when getting a startup off the ground.  If all the people don&#039;t truly believe in the end goal, you&#039;ll probably never get there :-). </p>
<p>I also agree with your second point.  I know a lot of great developers that don&#039;t necessarily make good business people.  I feel that&#039;s where networking comes into play with the people argument.  If your idea is solid and you can get a group of people together that all believe in it at the beginning it&#039;s one thing.  This letter is more geared toward someone starting a company that doesn&#039;t have the right people at the beginning. </p>
<p>Equity itself is neither good nor bad.  It always depends on the situation and circumstances.  I have structured such deals in the past when I saw the company going places and when I had started my contract with pay.  They believed in proving their viability to me and my company and that&#039;s what made the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sitarzewski</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sitarzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all startups and ideas get the juices going in all developers. If your thing is bicycles, and someone brings you an enterprise mail app, you&#039;d really be an idiot to take it - especially if you&#039;re just in it for the cash. Startups are hard enough to get going - building something with no passion for it is for silly people with no sense of self. 
 
&quot;Investing time in your goals, when they could be developing their own, comes across as a high opportunity cost with an extremely unlikely payoff.&quot;  Most developers I know kick ass at development, and pretty much suck at running a business and marketing their ideas. If there is an idea, and a startup in the back of their mind, there is no guarantee that theirs will be more successful - especially without help in their weak areas. 
 
I&#039;m not saying that equity only deals are good or bad. I am saying that the possibility exists that you just haven&#039;t seen the right deal presented, by the right people. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all startups and ideas get the juices going in all developers. If your thing is bicycles, and someone brings you an enterprise mail app, you&#039;d really be an idiot to take it &#8211; especially if you&#039;re just in it for the cash. Startups are hard enough to get going &#8211; building something with no passion for it is for silly people with no sense of self. </p>
<p>&quot;Investing time in your goals, when they could be developing their own, comes across as a high opportunity cost with an extremely unlikely payoff.&quot;  Most developers I know kick ass at development, and pretty much suck at running a business and marketing their ideas. If there is an idea, and a startup in the back of their mind, there is no guarantee that theirs will be more successful &#8211; especially without help in their weak areas. </p>
<p>I&#039;m not saying that equity only deals are good or bad. I am saying that the possibility exists that you just haven&#039;t seen the right deal presented, by the right people. :)</p>
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		<title>By: squanderingtime</title>
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		<dc:creator>squanderingtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of great companies have a story that goes &quot;we had a great team and the money ran out, but at that point we all believed we could really make it work!&quot;  That&#039;s the point equity should come into play.  Check out Nvidia&#039;s story for a particularly good one. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of great companies have a story that goes &quot;we had a great team and the money ran out, but at that point we all believed we could really make it work!&quot;  That&#039;s the point equity should come into play.  Check out Nvidia&#039;s story for a particularly good one.</p>
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		<title>By: squanderingtime</title>
		<link>http://chrischandler.name/culture/entrepreneurs-regarding-equity-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>squanderingtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  I would even advise against initial equity period regardless of pre-existing relationships.  Entrepreneurship requires a certain level of dispassion toward friends and colleagues.  It&#039;s not that I&#039;m saying we should be cold, but acknowledge that the 90% of startups that fail are not ALL filled with morons.  Great people with great product can still enter the market in unfavorable conditions and that can end it all </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  I would even advise against initial equity period regardless of pre-existing relationships.  Entrepreneurship requires a certain level of dispassion toward friends and colleagues.  It&#039;s not that I&#039;m saying we should be cold, but acknowledge that the 90% of startups that fail are not ALL filled with morons.  Great people with great product can still enter the market in unfavorable conditions and that can end it all</p>
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